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我在海外说:为什么柬埔寨的最高领导人大多是华裔?越南和红色高棉的关系是什么

徽剑 徽剑 2023-07-30

最近回复了一个关于红色高棉的问题:

Why are most of the top leaders of the Khmer Rouge of the Chinese ethnicity?

为什么红色高棉的最高领导人大多是华裔?


这个问题从提问的习惯来看,基本可以肯定是越南人发表的,提出这个问题用心非常险恶,这个问题实际上是在暗示中国(华人)对红色高棉的行为要负责,是华人在对柬埔寨人犯罪。


越南人一直在英语网络试图摆脱跟红色高棉的关系,把红色高棉的问题推到中国这边。(事实上,越南人比韩国人恶心多了)


我回答过多个类似问题,先来看这个问题。后面我更是回答了另外一个,就是越南和红色高棉的关系。





我的回答:


Not only are most of the leaders of the Khmer Rouge ethnic Chinese, but the leaders who oppose the Khmer Rouge are also largely ethnic Chinese. Even the current Cambodian leaders such as Hun Sen and Defense Minister Dipan are all of Chinese descent.


Most of the leaders of the Lon Nol regime before the Khmer Rouge, including Lon Nol, were also of Chinese descent.


Further back in time, Sisowath Monivong, who succeeded to the throne in 1927, had a Chinese mother, and later King Sihanouk's wife, now Queen Mother Monirai, was also of Chinese descent. In other words, the Cambodian royal family is of Chinese descent.


In other words, the Chinese have infiltrated the whole Cambodia.


In fact, this is also true in Thailand, where the Thai royal family is the descendants of the Chinese. Nowadays, from the opposition party to the ruling party in Thai politics, no matter how they rotate, there is an absolute majority of politicians of Chinese origin.


In Burma, ethnic Chinese have even simply taken over several local regimes.


Even in Vietnam, there are many leaders of Chinese descent. For example, Chu Van Jin and Pham Van Dong, who are clearly of Chinese descent


Some researchers have pointed out that by referring to the percentage of Chinese origin in Thailand and Cambodia (estimated to be over 30%) to assess, Vietnam and Laos should also have a large number of Chinese origin, just not clearly marked as such when registering (Vietnam's public data shows only 1% Chinese, which is clearly problematic by referring to Cambodia and Thailand's 30%).


If people are interested, they can come to China to get a genetic test, it's like only $7



就连洪森、国防部长迪潘等柬埔寨现任领导人也都是华裔。


红色高棉之前的隆诺政权的领导人,包括隆诺在内,大多也是华裔。


再往前追溯,1927年继位的西索瓦特-莫尼翁的母亲是中国人,后来西哈努克国王的妻子,也就是现在的王母娘娘莫尼莱也是中国人后裔。换句话说,柬埔寨王室是华人后裔。


换句话说,华人已经渗透到了整个柬埔寨。


其实,在泰国也是如此,泰国王室就是华人的后裔。如今,泰国政坛从在野党到执政党,无论怎么轮换,华裔政客占绝对多数。


在缅甸,华裔甚至干脆接管了几个地方政权。


即使在越南,也有很多华裔领导人。比如朱文锦和范文同,他们明显是华裔。


有研究者指出,参照泰国和柬埔寨的华裔比例(估计超过30%)来评估,越南和老挝应该也有大量的华裔,只是在登记时没有明确标注为华裔(越南公开数据显示只有1%的华裔,参照柬埔寨和泰国的30%显然有问题)。


如果大家有兴趣,可以来中国做个基因检测,好像只有7美元的样子




下面我们来看一下红色高棉和越南的关系,到底是中国在支持红色高棉,还是越南在支持红色高棉。


包括国内的很多文章都说中国在支持红色高棉,实际上是完全错误的。





中国为什么支持红色高棉?

Why did China support the Khmer Rouge?


This answer tries to channel the Khmer Rouge atrocities with China and the Chinese. It tries to explain the Khmer Rouge massacres as being caused by China's desire to control Southeast Asia, and Chinese culture.


But she forgot a few core things


1. In the Khmer Rouge massacre, the Chinese had the highest percentage of deaths, in other words, 10 out of 100 Khmer were killed, while the Chinese were 40 out of 100. (This disproves the claim that the Chinese massacred the Cambodians)


The Khmer Rouge massacres actually targeted intellectuals, even making a fuss about the practice that anyone wearing glasses was a bad person. The Chinese were generally better educated and richer, so they were the main targets.


2. The main rulers of Cambodia in the last 100 years have all been ethnic Chinese, including the Cambodian royal family, including the pro-American Lon Nol, including the current Prime Minister Hun Sen and the opposition leader Sam Rainsy. (Most Cambodian leaders have not slaughtered their people as the Khmer Rouge did)


3. While citing the photo of Mao and Pol Pot together, she forgot another photo of the group. That is the photo of Ho Chi Minh and Pol Pot together.


This is a photo of Ho Chi Minh with Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot and Lao leader Khe Sanh in 1966, 10 years after Mao met Pol Pot.



The Chinese leader knew Pol Pot because of King Sihanouk's introduction and because China supported Cambodia as a country, not the Khmer Rouge. King Sihanouk later ran away to Beijing when he and the Khmer Rouge fell out.


This shows that China was not helping the Khmer Rouge at all, in which case how could Sihanouk have run to Beijing, and how could the Chinese government have taken in King Sihanouk if they were allies with the Khmer Rouge?


4. Most importantly, the Vietnamese never say where the Khmer Rouge came from. Especially not the history of the Khmer Rouge before 1970, why?


The predecessor of the Vietnamese Communist Party was the main body of the Indochinese Communist Party. Why do I say main body? Because the Indochinese Communist Party also separated out in 1951 from the Lao Communist Party and the Cambodian Communist Party, this Cambodian Communist Party, later the Khmer Rouge.


As you can see, the Communist Party of Vietnam, the Communist Party of Laos and the Communist Party of Cambodia (Khmer Rouge) were in fact three brothers, with the Communist Party of Vietnam being the oldest.


The Khmer Rouge did not take power until the mid-1970s, and what were they doing before that?



Take a look at this photo of Sihanouk inspecting armed Khmer Rouge men trained in Vietnam in 1973, wearing the characteristic Vietnamese hats.


The leaders of the Khmer Rouge and their military organisation had actually been trained with the help of the Vietnamese.


5. After the Khmer Rouge seized power, why did they fight with Vietnam?


Quite simply, because historically Vietnam had appropriated a great deal of Cambodian territory, the Mekong Delta, Ho Chi Minh City, all of which was owned by the Kingdom of Cambodia 400 years ago.


After the Khmer Rouge came to power, there was an armed conflict between the two sides over border territories. Then Vietnam invaded Cambodia straight away.


6. Did Vietnam really overthrow the Khmer Rouge?


Vietnam always claimed to the outside world that they overthrew the Khmer Rouge and liberated the Cambodian people. They forget that after driving Pol Pot inside the jungle, Vietnam supported the other Khmer Rouge faction, Han Samrin and others, to power. This includes the current Cambodian Prime Minister, Hun Sen, who was the head of the Khmer Rouge back then and later became the Foreign Minister in Han Samrin's government.



It should be noted that Hun Sen is also of Chinese descent and a very large part of his cabinet is also of Chinese descent


So, Vietnam only overthrew one of the factions of the Khmer Rouge that was at odds with Vietnam, not the Khmer Rouge.



这个答案试图将红色高棉的暴行与中国和中国人引导起来。它试图解释红色高棉大屠杀是由于中国想控制东南亚,以及中国文化造成的。


但提问者忘记了几个核心的东西


1. 在红色高棉大屠杀中,中国人的死亡比例最高,换句话说,100个高棉人中有10个被杀,而中国人是40个。这就否定了中国人杀柬埔寨人的说法)。


红色高棉的大屠杀其实是针对知识分子的,甚至大肆宣扬戴眼镜的人都是坏人的做法。中国人普遍受教育程度较高,也比较有钱,所以他们是主要目标。


关于红色高棉执政期间的人数,我有考证,后续发


2. 柬埔寨过去100年的主要统治者都是华裔,包括柬埔寨王室,包括亲美的隆诺,包括现任首相洪森和反对派领袖桑兰西。(大多数柬埔寨领导人没有像红色高棉那样屠杀人民)


我会专门介绍华人在东南亚的历史,后续发


3. (一些越南人)在引用毛和波尔布特的合影时,她忘记了另一张合影。那就是胡志明和波尔布特的合影。



这是1966年胡志明与红色高棉领导人波尔布特和老挝领导人开山的合影,毛与波尔布特见面是1975年


中国领导人认识波尔布特是因为西哈努克国王的介绍,也是因为中国支持柬埔寨这个国家,而不是红色高棉。后来西哈努克国王和红色高棉闹翻了,就跑到北京去了。


这说明中国根本没有帮助红色高棉,在这种情况下,西哈努克怎么会跑到北京去,如果中国和红色高棉是盟友,怎么会收留西哈努克国王呢?


4. 最重要的是,越南人从来不说红色高棉的来历。尤其是1970年以前的红色高棉的历史,为什么?


越南共产党的前身是印度支那共产党的主体。为什么我说主体?因为印度支那共产党也是1951年从老挝共产党和柬埔寨共产党分离出来的,这个柬埔寨共产党,就是后来的红色高棉。


大家可以看到,越南共产党、老挝共产党和柬埔寨共产党(红色高棉)其实是三兄弟,其中越南共产党是老大。


红色高棉直到上世纪70年代中期才上台执政,而在这之前,他们在做什么呢?


看看这张照片,1973年西哈努克视察在越南训练的红色高棉武装人员,他们戴着越南特色的帽子。


红色高棉的领导人和他们的军事组织其实是在越南人的帮助下训练出来的。


5. 红色高棉夺取政权后,为什么要和越南打仗?


很简单,因为历史上越南侵占了柬埔寨大量的领土,湄公河三角洲、胡志明市,这些地方在400年前都是柬埔寨王国的。


红色高棉上台后,双方为了边境领土发生了武装冲突。然后越南直接入侵柬埔寨。


6. 越南真的推翻了红色高棉吗?


越南一直对外宣称,他们推翻了红色高棉,解放了柬埔寨人民。他们忘记了,在把波尔布特赶到丛林里面后,越南支持了红色高棉的另一派韩桑林等人上台。包括现在的柬埔寨总理洪森,他当年就是红色高棉的头目,后来成为韩桑林政府的外交部长。


需要指出的是,洪森也是华裔,他的内阁中也有非常多的华裔成员


所以,越南只是推翻了红色高棉中与越南不和的一个派系,而不是红色高棉。





读完这个,有意思吧



红色高棉的前身,和越南、老挝现在的执政党,实际上是一家的,原来的名称叫“印度支那共产党”(请注意,历史上有两个印度支那共产党),他们是在1951-1952年才分开的。


红色高棉一直到70年代中期才执政,在这之前的二十年,一直是在越南的训练和扶持下,在地下运作的。尤其是红色高棉的多名领导人(1979年推翻红色高棉波尔布特后,扶持了红色高棉的另外一个派系上台,当时第一任总理,原来就是在越共对外联络部上班的柬埔寨人,后来因为反对越南移民被越南拘禁)


关于越南反华、越南的一些历史、柬埔寨的历史、东南亚的一些历史,包括像印尼屠杀华人背后的内幕、红色高棉的内幕,近期我会陆续写出来。


供想了解东南亚历史的、准备去东南亚投资的人,作为参考阅读。





 


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